Logo

Valentines Day Ecards

TA TALKS BACK: AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Posted May 4th, 2009 By: flick 12 Comments »

Ta forum member Dahlia discusses the opinions of a blogger after reading Twilight.

 

“And Now for Something Completely Different” by Dahlia:

Just to spice things up a bit around here, I’m going to play some defense for the series. Frightening I know, isn’t it? Don’t worry, I’ll revert back to my heartless, cruel ways once I’ve purged myself.

A friend recently sent a link for a popular blog to me. I’ll pause, briefly, for your reading consumption.

http://bamber.blogspot.com/2009/02/book-review-twilight.html

And you think I am prat! At least I am a fan of the series. Now, let me condition my commentary, first, by repeating that everyone is entitled to their thoughts, feelings and opinions. I am, in no way, a supporter of public censorship. That being said, I am slightly confused as to how Ms Amber thinks this is a review of Twilight. Being a Harvard Law Graduate, you might think she would know the difference between a book review and a political/ideological polemic. Granted, she has every right to express her disdain for Twilight, I would just think she might want to dedicate more time to the issue before she jumps all about on her (jump to) conclusions mat.

Ms Amber’s thoughts are based on one book: Twilight, but her public “review” extends to the whole series. I really don’t understand such leap in thought. Personally, I tend to reserve my judgment of something until I have all the facts to base my thoughts on, instead of basing them on someone else’s influential ideas. This is even more so the case if I intend to publicly express my opinion on a subject. Had her feelings been expressed in ’04, I might be more inclined to excuse her hasty condemnation, but being that the entire series was at her disposal at the time of this “review” I will not. It is folly to not gather all the knowledge you can, for yourself, before publicly opening your mouth. What is the phrase: when you assume you make an…… well you get the picture. Had Ms Amber read the entire series, instead of merely reading others’ summaries on it, she might have come to an entirely different conclusion. And even if she hadn’t come to a different conclusion, I might have taken her point of view a little more seriously.

Ms Amber very clearly thinks of herself as a feminist- liberal woman, but her diatribe would smack any real feminist in the face, wouldn’t you think? To lump every single young woman in the world into the category of “callow and dumb” is a bit of projection in my book. While all humans have the capacity to be callow and dumb, it is not their predisposition. If a girl truly is callow and dumb, make no mind about it, she will find literature to match her attention span and then what harm can it do? Most feminists I know, young or old. would spit in the face of any person who said they weren’t capable of deciding for themselves if something should be read or not. Isn’t a basic principal of feminism the right to make your own choice? To stand powerful and strong, saying there is nothing to fear from a questionable love story? That a feminist woman is strong enough to rise above what ever message may or may not lie encoded in a story’s lines? That she can read such things and come out of it unscathed because she has a mind of her own? Really, Ms Amber, you do your view no service here.

She does have it right to some degree: Twilight, and its series, is a fantasy. But if you can show me any romance novel that isn’t based in some sort of ideological fancy, I will tip my hat to you. Romance novels are not what we, as women, base our desires in– at least not I, or most of the women I know. They are simply great stories to escape into when your man is being a bit unsympathetic or unromantic. Books like this indulge that part in all of us where we fantasizes our very presence can influence a man to change for us alone. It isn’t reality—it’s fancy. Next thing you know, Ms Amber will want all of Jane Austen’s works kept from our youth for the same reasons. A wonderful friend of mine once said: “Nobody is at the center of a greater swirling storm of manipulative bull-hock than teenagers. If they [aren't allowed to] sort it all out, they’d all be dead before college.” With Ms Amber’s approach, one might wonder when a person is “old enough” to be allowed to read something with which they may or may not agree. Exposing one’s self to only one point of view is not education– it is indoctrination. And while studies have shown too much unrealistic fantasy romance is damaging to one’s love expectations, who is to say these sort of stories is all we consume? Again, freedom to choose is everyone’s right, right?

Ms Amber’s unrealistic paralleling of these characters to real life is just a continuation of her ridiculous stance. She feels the need to condemn Bella for being a painfully shy caregiver who has always been the adult in her paternal relationships– as if this is her fault. Personally, I find being a caregiver a noble characteristic to have. There is nothing wrong with serving those you love at any age– especially if it is part of your nature and you choose to do so. Bella is a product of her circumstances who is doing the best she can, as a 17 year old, with what she’s got. If she had read the entire series, Ms Amber might have been chagrined in her hasty judgment by the changes Bella undergoes and the growth she achieves as a person; including her eventual enrollment in college and the friendships she fosters, all at Edward’s urging. Ms Amber also berates Edward for being a “stalker nutjob” who, too, is really only a product of his human youth at the turn of the 20th century. Edward didn’t choose a vampirical life and, in his 103 years, he has never had to deal with affairs of the heart. Just like Bella, he is a product of his circumstances and throughout the series, he changes and adapts for the best; including, but not limited to, his acceptance of Bella as a strong capable woman. In the end, Ms Amber has chosen to project her morals onto fictional characters who can’t possibly measure up to her ideals because they aren’t supposed to…yet. They might be vapid and shallow in Ms Amber’s eyes, but then again so are all of today’s young women. So what does she expect? You can’t have it both ways; stories have to start some where.

I can’t help but continue to laugh at Ms Amber’s assessment of the sexual content of the series. Again she is enforcing her own ideals onto the characters; only this time it’s in the form of proper sexual conduct. I will not go into my own beliefs on proper sexual conduct because they, like Ms Amber’s, are not valid to the issue. A person has to find their own path in such things and, with the guidance of their parents; they should be allowed to find that path without persecution from anyone. I find the author’s dedication to Edward’s virtue refreshing. Again, had Ms. Amber taken it upon herself to read the complete series, she might have come to find the gentleman in Edward she refuses to acknowledge at present. And furthermore, Ms Amber’s negative assessment that the book teaches young women that they must “monitor their behaviour at all times lest they cause a guy to lose it and kill/rape them,” is at best incredulous and at worst missing the mark entirely. What is wrong with being in control of a sexual situation as a woman or monitoring your behavior to protect yourself or *gasp* your own virtuous reputation?

When I was a young woman, my parents’ only rule for literature was to let them know what we wanted to read beforehand. After, if we had any questions or thoughts, our parents would discuss the material with us to help us come to an educated conclusion on it. I read questionable books on sex, war, drug addiction, abuse, love, and horror as early, sometimes, as 10 years old. My parents trusted the values they had instilled in us from an early age and knew that the fastest way to turn us into monsters was to censor and stifle us. Again, while it is completely within Ms Amber’s right to rebuke the series for her own haphazard reasons, shouldn’t it be within the same right as a parent to choose what their children can and cannot read? Yes, in later comments, Ms Amber conditions her stance by saying she is not calling for the burning of these books, but really, what is she, instead, asking for then? She calls the book evil and a bad influence, and later says the series should not be read by young people at all. If she’s not calling for censorship of the series by saying these things, then what is this rant about? Why even say such things if you aren’t expressing your desire for censorship to some degree? Express your disdain sure, Ms Amber; Lord knows I surely have. But do not call into question and judgment things you really have no knowledge on and offer counsel to others when you clearly don’t have all the facts. Collecting all the pertinent information on a subject, whether it confirms or refutes your position, is the first thing you learn as an L1 in law school, so why should this public “review” be any different?

When it comes right down to it, this series is not dangerous on any level, save the occasional paper cut from turning the pages too quickly. I completely respect Ms Amber’s view point as her own, but draw the line at her scathing “review”. It’s all a matter of personal discipline. If you can read this series and keep it where it belongs– in the fantasy world– then bravo! But doesn’t everyone deserve the right to do that in their own way? Bright, shiny, speed-loving vampires don’t exist. These books are not based on any sort of reality, period. They are not a model, on any level, for life. If a young woman can’t come to these conclusions on her own, in her own time, about the series, I think being “callow and dumb” is the least of her problems, wouldn’t you agree?

Talk back to us, what do you think?







Read More About:
Filed under: TA Talks Back TA Toolbar: Download Here
advertisement
  • Chelle

    Geez! Some people need to lighten up! it’s a book for cryin out loud, in the FICTION section of the bookstore! I’m pretty darn sure SM didn’t write the series for female humanity to make it their life bible! Isn’t reading supposed to be fun? raise questions? form opinions and challenge them in the process resulting in having a unique mind of our own? escape reality once in a while? isn’t that the point of reading for youngsters and adults likewise? it’s too bad some people will miss out on reading such a great FANTASY world known as the twilight universe due to some cruel, misguided public opinions such as this one. their loss!

  • Jen

    It seems to me that Amber sees all teenage girls as incapable of distinguishing fiction from reality. I’m not sure that many young women would be pleased with the idea of having a random guy crawl through their window at night (although there are a few who have probably had their boyfriend sneak in at some point), nor would they want to be with a man who was constantly trying their best not to kill them. The pull of the story isn’t in a literal interpretation of the literature, it’s all about what it represents. Granted, the marriage at 18 thing doesn’t sit well with me in general, but for the purposes of the story it works perfectly. The fact that they abstain from sex until marriage, but still have a passionate connection should please feminists (it does please this one)…it sits in direct opposition to 99% of other pop culture entities that young women and girls are subjected to.

    The assertion that Amber makes regarding college being unimportant is rather ridiculous, as there are many references to the fact that the Cullens are highly educated. I don’t think that there is any assertion made that college is unimportant, the idea is that she literally has FOREVER to do the things she wants to do. The assumption that people have to attend college straight out of high school is Amber’s own value judgment, not one that is echoed by every college-educated person.

    All of us know this, but Bella does have her own friends. Jacob, for one. Just because she isn’t a social butterfly doesn’t make her socially defunct.

    Amber sounds like someone who has gone a little nutty on her crusade to squash mainstream pop culture, not someone who is reviewing a book. I say that if Twilight gets young people to crack a book, more power to it!

  • Katie

    I am just shocked at the assesment Ms Amber made about the sexual content of this book. She obviously has a very convoluted view on sex as it is but to suggest that Stephenie Meyer or the Twilight series promoted women worrying about having to “monitor their behaviour at all times lest they cause a guy to lose it and kill/rape them” is ridiculous and abosultely wrong. It sounds like she wanted to dislike this book from the get go. Too bad, she is missing out on a Great love saga.

  • christina391

    i just have one word for amber FANTASY i think she needs a few.

  • shea

    im one of the girls she would put in the “young women” group.
    rather she wants to admit it or not, not all girls are, “callow and dumb”. i personally think i have the older mind of thinking in some situations as bella does. doesnt make it awful, just because she is reponsible, but she also did have adventure. i mean helllllo vampire!

    i agree with everything dahlia said, great articule!

  • nelly

    I am not a teenager, but if it is “callow and dumb” to enjoy reading the twilight series…i would rather be that than be “educated” like miss amber! I mean…the lady didn’t even get the point of the story right!

  • Kristen

    I have to say that Ms Amber, who watched 7 seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, needs to rethink her comment about the book teaching young women that they must “monitor their behavior at all times lest they cause a guy to lose it and kill/rape them.” You see, I too watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer and when Buffy and Angel consumated their feelings he lost his soul and tried to kill her. Did I mention that this happened when she was still in high school and he was 300 yrs old? If that isn’t bad enough when Spike wanted more of Buffy, he started to rape her in her bathroom yet as the series carried on she cuddled with him the night before the end of the world? Now, in my opinion, I would welcome “stalking” Edward before I would get around either the man would lose his soul or the one who would make me afraid of bathtime.

  • Twilight Mom Australia

    Some might think that I am about to personally attack Ms Amber, but when anyone attacks anything Twilight I feel they are personally attacking me.
    Ok, we are all entitled to our own opinion BUT, seriously, that Ms Amber has got get some….. she is wound up sooo tight. She is so off the mark, being a Harvard Law Graduate, one would think she would be open minded, but sometimes people who like to think of themselves as highly educated lose touch with the norm, because the norm (real life ) sucks we all need, to escape sometimes , we need fantasy, we need books that we can fall in love with, characters we can fall in love with ache with FICTION,MS AMBER , FICTION try reading one, hellllooo…
    Ms Amber is actually someone we need to keep all children away from, because, she will tell them not to have dreams and fantasies, not to fall in love with fiction and characters in them…I hope she does not have teenager daughters, cause I wonder what she makes them read and scars them for life.
    Ms Amber said teenage girls are “callow and dumb” she said she knows because she was one, I bet she was the “ugly duckling one”. Maybe she never had a boyfriend or got ask to the prom either and she is in a way jealous of “Our dear Bella” because the plain girl got the hottest guy at school. And Ms Amber never did.
    She said, Edward was an abusive stalker nutjob, what? Again, FICTION MsAmber FICTION.
    I really think “Ms Amber” teenage girls are smarter than you think, and can distinguish between , life and fiction….and when life sucks, we can all escape to fiction….
    And have Edward stalk us in our dreams, ahhh that would be nice…..

  • Patricia Van der Mispel

    Ms Amber’s comment says a lot more about Ms.Amber than about Ms Meyer’s story. She has not read the book, let alone the 4 books as far as I’m concerned. I must confess I have read a lot of these comments on sites of so called fans as well. “Jacob is a pedofile, Edward is a stalker and Bella is a shame to womanhood.” I often wonder if those people read the same books I did.
    I think The Twilight Saga is a beautiful fairy tale with heros and villains and a “happy ever after” end. What do those people want? Reality? Then watch the news! But let dreamers enjoy a good story without all the stupid comments. Gongratulations Dahlia, you have surely redeemed yourself to a lot of Twilight fans who were not so kind to you on earlier comments. I love reading your articles! I’m still waiting on the one you promised that would explain why I’m utterly addicted to these books.

  • DahliaMcAvoy

    The thing is, my darlings, Ms Amber and her zealot fan base would rather have the entire world follow their beliefs and do as they would than to have a world filled with many different ideas, beliefs and concepts. A world where there is room to live as [i]you[/i] choose, reading what you want– if it happens to not fall in line with her ideals– is strictly unacceptable. Someone else has this very idea, once. I seem to recall he took a cyanide pill to escape his impending doom after his grand plans of mass ethnic cleansing didn’t take hold in the world. (What? If Ms Amber and her zealots can call the Twilight series pure evil then I can parallel her to Hitler. It’s the same thing in my book)

    Truthfully there is no [i]one[/i] right path for everyone in this world, no matter how Utopian your ideals may or may not be. What is right for me, isn’t necessarily right for others and that is the beauty of freedom and free will. Ms Amber is completely entitled to her fascist way of thinking and is free to gather as many followers as she wants just so long as she confines her desires to her own perfect world inside her clearly delusional mind and doesn’t force her ideals onto others. Meanwhile, those of us who don’t particularly agree with her will go on our merry way. Good thing our mutual paths don’t often meet at the annual Maryland Sheep & Wool Festival. [snark]

    See? Free will is goooood.

    On a side note, if any of you happened to visit her blog home page, you would have noticed Ms Amber decided to do a blow by blow “review” of the Twilight film while blitzing herself into oblivion on Brandy Alexanders. (What a truly wonderful public example to teenage-kind Ms Amber is herself, ehe?) One must wonder why Ms Amber continually revisits Twilight so often. Clearly, in her opinion, she is only throwing good money after bad on books, films and, possibly cheap brandy. If it is such an evil thing, this Twilight phenomenon, then why is she wasting her oh so precious time and money on something so horrid? One might think that if she is so above this series that she wouldn’t spend one moment longer on its books or films. Seems to me we might have a closet addict in our midst, wouldn’t you fine fans agree?

    My advice, my dears, is to rise above this trite sad creature and not give her any fodder to post on her silly little site. Unfortunately my article was used for such gains and, for that, I apologize to you all. I hope you all know that was never my intention.

    M dear Ms Patricia! Darling, I am so glad to see you here! Thanks for your congratulations too. While I really didn’t write this article to “redeem” myself, I thought it might show the other fans that I am not really as evil as they might think. :) Thank you for your readership and I am glad you enjoy my contributions. I *will* write my next article strictly for you, but please remind me of what I promised? I am afraid I have forgotten.

    Ciao, dears!!

  • Patricia Van der Mispel

    My dear Ms Dahlia. Thank you so much for your kind promise. To have an article written just for me makes me blush.
    But since you ask: you once promised to write on why so many of us are obsessed with the saga. I still have not figured out why that is.
    I read a lot and have been known to re-read my favorite books, but never like this. I’ve read these books over and over and still enjoy them just as much as the first time around. I’m not the only one either, lots of people experience the same thing. So why is that? Do you have any idea?
    Thank you in advance.
    Yours truly,
    Patricia

  • ~Skye.Road~

    I have one comment for amber-go read some Chuck Palhanuik books(author of fight club, invisible monsters and choke, amongst others) If she would like books that really horrify her when it comes to sex, woman, etc then they will be perfect for her. And none of the books are longer than 200 pages so she might actually be able to read them all.

 

 

 
More in TA Talks Back (92 of 182 articles)